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Some Good and Bad of Obama's Recovery Bill
Steve Swint , Baltimore: Feb 10 2009
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Some Good and Bad of Obama's Recovery Bill

I am no economist, so I am not one qualified to say definitively whether or not the economic recovery package will work. But from what I have seen of it there are some things to like and some things not to like about it. Unfortunately, there are more things not to like than like.

The Good:

- Contains some tax cuts. While I don’t think the tax cuts go far enough, I will give the Dems a little credit for throwing a bone to we less-taxes folk. The Republicans introduced a stimulus bill and all it was, was tax cuts; it was ridiculous and I am a Republican. This bill contains both spending and tax cuts, despite containing too much spending and too little cuts, I will give them credit

- Transparency and accountability. Well, they aren’t being wholly transparent yet as the complete contents of the bill are not yet released as I understand it, but the bill does call for accountability and transparency on the part of those receiving the money, or I should say from the businesses receiving the money. Money spent of any kind from taxes should be held with the highest regard by our government and should constantly be accounted for and cared for. While our government is horrible at this, at least this bill calls for it.

The Bad:

- Excessive government spending on things that will do little to jump start the economy. I understand that in politics if you want a small, seemingly insignificant (or controversial) project funded and passed one needs to attach it to a bill that is large, important, and easy to hide things in. Such as this bill. Many times, this act, while less than ideal, doesn’t really bother me. But in this case it does. It does because this bill, if we are to believe the President, is of huge import. Apparently the sky is about to fall so we must pass the bill immediately (I happen to disagree). So if this bill is THAT important, it is to important to play politics with. This bill should be solely limited to fixing the economy (something I think the government has no chance at being successful with). It is too important for pet projects, pork, and the like. Keep this one “meat and potatoes” and leave out the rest.

-Big Brother like health care provisions. Consider:

Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Are you kidding me?! This deserves a whole post in and of itself, but I will keep it short. The last thing the Federal Government should do or is smart enough to do is “guide your doctor’s decisions”. All they will do is screw it up and ensure that we don’t get the care we need. Universal health care, which this is obviously a first step toward, would be an unmitigated disaster. I have had significant health care issues in both Canada and the U.K., both have nationalized health care systems and both are terrible. There is a reason Canada’s best doctors come to the U.S.; they can get paid. Competition breeds excellence; a nationalized health care system ends that.

-Max pay for employees of firms receiving help is too low. Despite being a solid capitalist, I have no problem with capping the salaries of CEO’s, but $500,000 is way too low. To me and most American’s it is a lot, but not in terms of senior business leadership. Unfortunately I don’t think there is a right number, it is really just arbitrary, but I think a max of between 2-3 million would be just about right. Keep in mind, many of these people and their companies work ridiculous hours and make obscene amounts of money the run our economy and country and employ vasts amount of people. Too little pay limits incentive. A highly capable leader may be rather inclined to just quit and go to another company, allowing the failing, yet apparently essential company, to be lead by someone who is ok with just $500K, meaning they probably aren’t very good at their job.

Ultimately there is some to like, but mostly to dislike about the bill. I would have voted against it, I don’t think it is necessary. I have faith in the capitalist system and I think it would have pulled itself out of this mess quicker than the government can do it. In the 1930’s at the start of the Great Depression, many argue that it was the government action that prolonged the misery. I am concerned that the same could happen here. The government continues to show that it is inept in nearly everything it runs, what makes them think they can fix our economy?

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Raul
New York City, United States
We are relying on the Obama administration being FAR smarter than the Republicans. The American Idol voting method is not for our fiscal policies. I think the recovery bill is crap. I'm sorry and I'm not going to call and request anything from the bankers representatives in Washington.
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Geoff
Phoenix, United States
Disrupt enough primetime TV, and not getting a mostly useless and wildly expensive "stimulus" package passed will be the least of Obama's worries. The American people just came off of an abusive 8 year relationship. Just because we decided to date a nice guy on the rebound doesn't mean we love him or anything. We need to sort out our feelings before he tries to move in.
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Andre Walker yourobamaupdate.com
San MArcos, United States
LOL... great analogy...
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Shoko
San Francisco, United States
we all voted obama in by a huge margin and we should give him a chance to change things for the better but instead its that same partisan interests that are keeping us from a prosperous and united future!
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Steve Swint dryflypolitics.com
Baltimore, United States
I was more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance. I have made that very clear in previous posts, but that does not mean that I have agree with all of his decisions and opinions.

Keep in mind, he is still an inexperienced, rookie politician. He is going to make lots of mistakes. I will criticize him when he does and I will praise him when I agree with him. But he has already disappointed me a few times thus far:

1. Announcing the closure of Gitmo without having a plan on how to deal with the people that are held there. Don’t announce a change to a problem, until you have a solution.

2. This stimulus bill. I don’t think it will stimulate anything, I think it will keep things as they are, increase the nanny state, and potentially prolong the problem.

3. Tacitly supporting the ”Fairness Doctrine”. A nice way of saying government censorship. It is ironic that people on the Left love to tout their freedom of speech rights and criticize any remote attempt by the right to suppress it, yet will fully support such a blatant violation of 1st amendment rights as the ”Fairness Doctrine”.

So that is just three things that greatly disappoint me and we aren’t even a month into his Presidency yet.

Also, speaking of Partisanship, just because Republicans disagree doesn’t mean they are being partisan; though sometimes they are. In this instant with the economy, the GOP has fundamental issues with the bill, thus they have the obligation to stand against it. If you read the comments by Pelosi and Reid about the election results they have no intention to work at all with the GOP. That is partisanship, they are the culprits. Even Obama who touts bi-partisanship has made comments ”Like I won the election” implying that it is his way or the highway. Though his examples of partisanship are far less egregious than Pelosi. What a disaster of a woman.
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Benjamin
San Francisco, United States
I am a republican and I may not fully support the plan, but the economy is already screwed by Bush. The guy just did not have the foresight to put us where we need to be as a country. His vision was clouded by the oil in his blood. If we did not go to war with Iraq, some of the problems we have today would not be there.
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Steve Swint dryflypolitics.com
Baltimore, United States
”I am a republican and I may not fully support the plan, but the economy is already screwed by Bush”

You’re vastly overstating the effect Bush had on the economy. Most so-called experts, e.g. economists, inside-the-beltway types, and columnists don’t blame the economic downturn on Bush.

The housing crisis that caused this whole mess first started during the Clinton administration (not blaming him, just setting a timeline) when banks began getting all housing happy and giving out some bad loans. For the most part this was contained, I believe it was in 2002, Congressional democrats insisted on loosening housing loan rules and threatened mortgage companies. They and to a lesser extent the Bush adminstration believed everyone should be able to own a home, even if they couldn’t afford it. The solution according to many congressional democrats was for mortgage companies to loosen their loaning standards. Some were hesitant, but other companies saw an opportunity to make a huge profit. As a result many more people were buying homes and it caused the market to take off, creating a bubble. Like the tech bubble of the 90’s, it burst. Unlike the tech bubble which really only affected people in the IT industry and stock market, the housing burst has affected everyone, especially the poorer among us. If you go back and watch/read the testimony over housing loans in congress you will see Barney Frank and the like berating mortgage companies for not giving loans to poor people and congressional republicans warning of the impending bubble and then bubble burst. Blame for this disaster in order:

1. Mortgage Companies agreeing to bad loans
2. Congressional Democrats
3. The people; those who bought homes they couldn’t afford
4. Bush administration for not coming out against the loan issue more

The only ones without much blame in my opinion are those house and senate representatives who warned about this well before it happened. Even McCain warned of this in 2006.
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Steve Swint dryflypolitics.com
Baltimore, United States
Sorry about the 3 reposts, I was having technical difficulties.

One last thought, it easy to say that ”if we did not go to war with Iraq, some of the problems we have today would not be there”.

Well, the housing crisis and terrible economy would; the Iraq war has absolutely nothing to do with that.

Also, even if we didn’t go to Iraq, there would be plenty of other problems. We probably wouldn’t as far along with rooting out terrorism, Barack would probably be preparing for war with Iraq; as so long as Saddam was in power, war was inevitable.

But look at the brightside of the Iraq war, without it, you wouldn’t have Barack.
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Andre Walker yourobamaupdate.com
San MArcos, United States
Steve S,

Although most of your comments are rational, the following causes me concern...

”Also, even if we didn’t go to Iraq, there would be plenty of other problems. We probably wouldn’t as far along with rooting out terrorism, Barack would probably be preparing for war with Iraq; as so long as Saddam was in power, war was inevitable. But look at the brightside of the Iraq war, without it, you wouldn’t have Barack”

1. There will always be war in the world, but that will never mean we have to invade a foreign country for non existent reason like WMD

2. War with Iraq was NEVER ”inevitable.

3. There is no bright side to Iraq... unless you consider more than 4,000 dead US servicemen/women ”bright”
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Steve Swint dryflypolitics.com
Baltimore, United States
Andre,

”1. There will always be war in the world, but that will never mean we have to invade a foreign country for non existent reason like WMD

2. War with Iraq was NEVER ”inevitable.

3. There is no bright side to Iraq... unless you consider more than 4,000 dead US servicemen/women ”bright” ”

On points one and two I am not saying war with Iraq was essential or imminent in 2003, not in the least, it wasn’t even necessary. I do have one contention with your WMD comment though, you are saying that with 20/20 hindsight. Everyone thought saddam had WMD’s pre-Iraq war, even his own generals. So while now we know they were non-existant (which is wholly accurate considering troops found small stocks of WMD’s), we didn’t then.

As for your third point, this is where your rationality completly goes out the window. Can you honestly say with a straight face that there is no bright side to Iraq? In my comment about Barack being a bright side, I was being facetious, but in all seriousness there is a huge bright side to Iraq.

Just look at the country now. Is it as stable as us or France or even South Africa? No, but the people are free from the fear of Saddam and his men, there is no fear of genocide and ethnic cleansing, something Saddam was fond of. They just held nation-wide elections that were wildly successful in which secular-moderates (for Iraq) won in a land-slide, and Islamic religious parties lost big.

Sure Iraq was a disaster through early 2007, just like the Civil War was a disaster for the Union through 1864 (first four years of the war), but it isn’t now. For the first time in a half-century, if not ever, the Iraqi people are tasting freedom. This result should be something liberals, who claim to care about the weakest among us, celebrate instead of consistently ignore because it was brought about by the ”the most evil president ever”. So many people who were against the Iraq war advocate we take a more proactive role in places like Sudan to ease human suffering, many of those advocate US military intervention and would celebrate it if Pres. Obama did it. But in Iraq where we did relieve human suffering, though it not being our primary motivation for going in, we get trashed for it.

Now, as I make my next statement you need to understand that I have the utmost sorrow for the lives of those lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. I am in the military myself an know a lot of people who have been and are over there now, so I don’t mean this disrespectfully towards them in anyway. But do you have any idea how few lives 4000 lost is in a now 5 year war? Is it tragic? Certainly, but war is deadly and 4000 is not a lot in a 5-year war. Our military should be applauded for how few deaths there were. And fortunately, because Bush followed the advice of Petraeus rather than I am sure you and President Obama those lives were not lost in vain. If Iraq turns out to be a stable, free, and democratic country as it appears now to be, the Iraq war will be completely worth the price it cost the United States: Freedom for millions of people and a stable democratic state in heart of the Islamic world that would have a huge positive impact on that entire region and the world. Don’t be so blinded by your hatred of Bush that you can’t see the positives that are now occuring in Iraq.
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Andre Walker yourobamaupdate.com
San MArcos, United States
Steve S,

”Just look at the country now. Is it as stable as us or France or even South Africa? No, but the people are free from the fear of Saddam and his men, there is no fear of genocide and ethnic cleansing, something Saddam was fond of.”

We chose to end Genocide in Iraq but not in every other major ethnic cleansing in the world during the last administration? C’mon. We went to Iraq because it benefited the last administrations agenda. I do not hate Bush, but incompetence is incompetence and giving him credit for ending ethnic cleansing is insulting to the millions of other victims and their families globally.

”They just held nation-wide elections that were wildly successful in which secular-moderates (for Iraq) won in a land-slide, and Islamic religious parties lost big.”

Do you really believe Iraq will remain stable after we leave. The answer is it will not unless we leave a sizable contingent force in the country. Should we then plan on leaving such forces in other countries while we continue to slide into catastrophic recession?

”If Iraq turns out to be a stable, free, and democratic country as it appears now to be, the Iraq war will be completely worth the price it cost the United States: Freedom for millions of people and a stable democratic state in heart of the Islamic world that would have a huge positive impact on that entire region and the world.”

IF Iraq does not turn out to be stable, as I believe it will not... what price have we paid in lives, financial stability and world opinion for nothing...?
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