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Yeah, keep praying for America's collapse
Steve Swint , Baltimore: Jun 4 2008
Made Popular Jun 4 2008
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Yeah, keep praying for America's collapse

It is a popular thing to wish for America’s demise as a superpower and to see the weakening of Western civilization and capitalism. The grass is always greener isn’t it? Well let’s see what how green the grass is indeed on the other side.

The reality is there are four countries/unions that have a legitimate shot at replacing the United States as the world power. They are, ordered by likelihood:

1. China- I think everyone agrees that China is the most likely counter balance to the United States.

2. Russia-Putin is attempting to re-establish the USSR. We’ll all regret not doing anything about it. Putin IS the most dangerous person in the world.

3. India- A considerable step below China and Russia, but they are more free than the former and that may prove to be valuable in the long run. I am a big fan of India.

4. EU- As they continue to consolidate they seem like a likely successor, but Europe has never been able to get along, what makes us think a unified Europe is stable for the long term? Besides, as the US goes, Europe goes. Europe, er NATO, is too reliable on the U.S.

Now consider the fact that India and the EU really aren’t viable when compared to China and Russia. What we have is the world’s future in the hands of either the US, China, or Russia or a combination of these with lesser, though significant, powers. Take some time to consider what your preference would be.

Alright, for those of you who chose Russia or China over the US consider the following:

China: “China’s All Seeing Eye”

Over the past two years, some 200,000 surveillance cameras have been installed throughout the city. Many are in public spaces, disguised as lampposts. The closed-circuit TV cameras will soon be connected to a single, nationwide network, an all-seeing system that will be capable of tracking and identifying anyone who comes within its range — a project driven in part by U.S. technology and investment. Over the next three years, Chinese security executives predict they will install as many as 2 million CCTVs in Shenzhen, which would make it the most watched city in the world. (Security-crazy London boasts only half a million surveillance cameras.) The security cameras are just one part of a much broader high-tech surveillance and censorship program known in China as “Golden Shield.”

With its militant protests and mobile population, China confronts a fundamental challenge. How can it maintain a system based on two dramatically unequal categories of people: the winners, who get the condos and cars, and the losers, who do the heavy labor and are denied those benefits? More urgently, how can it do this when information technology threatens to link the losers together into a movement so large it could easily overwhelm the country’s elites?

The answer is Golden Shield.

So take this, along with the well documented human rights violations, especially against the Tibetans and Uygurs and then ask yourself if that is how you want to live?

Now let’s have fun with Russia. Consider the following:

Putin’s opponents are made to vanish from TV

It is also a striking indication of how Putin has relied on the Kremlin-controlled television networks to consolidate power, especially in recent elections.

Opponents who were on television a year or two ago all but vanished during the campaigns, as Putin won a parliamentary landslide for his party and then installed his protégé, Dmitri Medvedev, as his successor.

When some actors cracked a few mild jokes about Putin and Medvedev at Russia’s equivalent of the Academy Awards in March, they were expunged from the telecast.

Political humor in general has been exiled from television here.

Way to go Russia. That’s just the kind of society that I want to live in. But that’s not all, consider the following from Instablogs own Kim in New York:

So, not only is Russia’s “prime minister” able to simply wave his hand and raise the nation’s wages (so much for the idea of capitalism in Russia! — and so much for the idea that Putin no longer rules it!) but he thinks the way to combat devastating double-digit consumer price inflation is to . . . wait for it . . . give people more money.

Yup, I can’t wait to live under the influence of China and Russia, it will be great.

But the greater concern is not that one of them could be the power, it is that they currently are strong allies and they will rule together and there secondary allies, countries who are regional powers, would be strengthened considerably. So let’s quickly consider what their closest allies have been up to:

Iran’s President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said yesterday that the “Zionist regime...will soon be erased from the geographical scene. Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started.” This from a country that would simply become THE regional power in the Middle-east under a Russian-Chinese world.

The there is Venezuela; wonderful, wonderful Venezuela. Whose benevolent President, Hugo Chavez, took personal control of Venezuela’s intelligence operations and is requiring citizens to spy on each other and report remotely seditious activity to the government.

So, go ahead, keep trashing America, keep calling for the end of America’s influence. Continue to denigrate capitalism, which for all of it’s faults, has improved the quality of life of everyone influenced by it (capitalist poor aren’t as poor as socialist, communist, or authoritarian poor).

The fact is, it is in the World’s best interest for Western power to continue. Sure, it may be overall beneficial for a bi- or multi-polar world, but within that multi-polar world, the United States must be the preeminent player. For all of America’s faults, it is still the world’s greatest proponent of freedom and the leader in economic development and poverty reduction. The last thing I want, or any of us should want, is to live under the influence of China, Russia, and their ilk.

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Marat
Moscow, Russia
this is simply ridiculous!!! US feels Russian threats to its hegemony, but why...we don't feel the same against you!!! one looses sleep because of guilty conscience... i don't know what is the case with you.

On the other hand, Swint you complain of Russia aligning with the China, Iran, Venezuela... but how can you forget that US does the same in Europe while assisting Georgia, Poland, Czech republic against Russia. And i wonder, if you guys have left the cold war mentality even now and that forced Russia to reassert itself. And don't forget Swint; what you will sow so shall you reap. why crying now!!!
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Wow! It’s a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea. Arrgghh, we are doomed! :)
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Steve Swint dryflypolitics.com
Baltimore, United States
US feels Russian threats to its hegemony, but why...we don’t feel the same against you!!!

Because you are not a hegemon. The US is the only hegemon right now. And I don’t feel threatened personally by Russia, I don’t even think the US feels threatened. We already stared Russia down once, but I do fear for the people of Russia and the surrounding countries.

And are you really comparing Poland and the Czech Republic with Iran and Venezuela? Please. If you can’t see the difference between those countries, you lose all credibility.

Finally, ”what you will sow so shall you reap”. You are correct, and Russia is currently and will continue to feel how true that is. It’s what you get for being suckered by Putin. Your freedoms will dwindle away bit by bit every day. Good luck with that.
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Jono
Perth, Australia
please do not be worried about the US destruction only as it will not come to US alone but to everyone who is making the two center of powers. this power mongering will lead to a vital conflict. However, i argue in favor of US. US is more liberal than any other nation of the world particularly if we compare it with China and the Russia - two most wicked regimes of the world who are too brute with its own ppl. russia, though, is bouncing back to the world stage to make its presence felt and now craving the same prestige and role that it has played during the USSR days. but the growth and development has nothing to do with the political reforms but to the natural sources that are Providing russia with the vital oxygen.
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Steve Swint dryflypolitics.com
Baltimore, United States
However, i argue in favor of US. US is more liberal than any other nation of the world particularly if we compare it with China and the Russia - two most wicked regimes of the world

That’s the point I am getting at. Thanks Jono. Basically we have 3 world powers of the future, ask yourself which of the three you would want as the strongest and most influential. Despite the many, many faults of America and her foreign policy, one would be hard pressed to say that prosperity and freedom has not advanced since the end of the cold war (see Estonia, Poland, Botswana, China, India, even Russia, etc.).
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Marat
Moscow, Russia
Yes swint now you showed the true US colors. this hegemony shit is destroying the world. you ppl still cherish the American dream in the broad sunlight. Isn't it??? we are the supreme power f*** is what makes you envy against others who are attaining the power and you making noise and start propaganda and proxy war against Russia, but mind you this time you will not succeed like you chaps did in 1991. coz the ppl that you used against Russian is now taking your sleeps, your money and solders away, this is what you call as "what you will sow so shall you reap." and that is what you are facing in Iraq and Afghanistan and you just wait lot more is yet to come as a reward for your stern efforts against peace....
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Kim publiuspundit.com/
New York, United States
MARAT:

Only a Russian could suggest that Poland and Iran are similar nations.

If you don’t have any hostility towards America, then you should tell your president to shut up and stop saying you do. Unfortunately, you don’t have the guts to control your ”president” so he controls you instead. I guess you are saying you don’t fear NATO expansion or the missile shield in Eastern Europe, right? Dude, what kind of dope are you smoking? Or is it just vodka?

You talk like a neo-Soviet man and you will meet a neo-Soviet fate.

Pathetic.
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Marat
Moscow, Russia
hi Kim welcome back. we do not control our president, so do you. let me explain how. Bush went on war against terror, a blunder that US realized later, I don't think the US ppl have advised Bush to waste time, money and soldiers on a foreign land for foreign cause. so which mistake would you like to accept: electing Bush was a blunder or he did not hear you before plunging US into war. In either case you are not different than the above mentioned shibboleth. are you??? You ppl who propagate the so called democracy and freedom to others do you have the same??? and the answer is big NO.
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Marat
Moscow, Russia
Kim

Dude, what kind of dope are you smoking? Or is it just vodka?


I had Southern Comfort laced with acid yesterday attempting insanity like you. This is known as attempted lunacy. I seem to have failed, right?

Swint

There is a remote town called Moron in Khuvsgul Province Mongolia. Very beautiful place. I had been there. The Morons (people who live there) are smarter than you (you said you were something similar - a Mormon(?)). Smarter by just meeting tourists coming from all over the world and learning about various cultures from them. So my advice to you is just drop the uber-dude getup, take a hike. Take the laptop if you wish to, but take a hike. Just don't pretend to be an armchair analyst who analyzes from whatever shit he gets filtered through a propaganda sieve. Take a hike.
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Royston
Singapore, Singapore
@Marat --

Don't be stupid. Poland and Iran are NOT similar nations.

1) Poland is in Europe while Iran is in Asia.
2) Poland is predominantly Christian while Iran Muslim.
3) Poland is cold while Iran is hot (weather).
4) Poland is a bum licker of the West especially US of A while Iran is a proud and defiant nation.
5) Poland is a poor struggling country despite all open trade between it and the whole world while Iran is a rich country despite all the sanctions imposed on it by the imperialist Americans and their toothless cronies.
6) Poland is run by US of A while Iran is run by Iranians.
7) Polish women walk the streets of Europe as prostitutes serving foreign sailors and tourists and NATO forces while Iranian women serve only Iranians.

I strongly object to your comparison between the two countries.
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Rational Zen
Chinatown, United States
For all the animosity seen regarding this topic, there aren’t too many people refuting the content.

Very telling.

You can hate the US all you’d like, but it doesn’t change the fact that the being the lone super-power is an accurate descriptor.
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Steve Swint dryflypolitics.com
Baltimore, United States
Marat,

It is easy to make blind assumptions about things you know nothing about, isn’t it? You must think that just because most Americans are inward looking ignoramuses regarding the international community, that we all must be.

While I readily admit that I view the world from American eyes, I guarantee that I a more well versed on international politics and relations than most people on this site. You have no idea about my background.

Royston,

You forgot, Poland is free, Iran is a dictatorship.

Poland supports human rights and economic development, Iran supports terrorism and calls for the annihilation of a whole country of people, if not the entire Western world.

Way to try to portray Iran as some beacon of hope for the world, where moderation and freedom reign.

By the way, while yes, Iran is run by Iran, Iran is not run by the Iranian people. Zimbabwe is run by Zimbabwe, that doesn’t make it a great and successsful country.
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Royston
Singapore, Singapore
@Swint --

I had the gut feeling that you would reply to someone's comments here opposing your views.

First let's look at what you just said. Please pay some attention.

1. "While I readily admit that I view the world from American eyes, I guarantee that I a more well versed on international politics and relations than most people on this site... You have no idea about my background."

2. "You forgot, Poland is free, Iran is a dictatorship. Poland supports human rights and economic development, Iran supports terrorism and calls for the annihilation of a whole country of people, if not the entire Western world."

Now let me take you on the two points.

1. First, you are an arrogant man who thinks he is Mr. Know-it-all. NO, you are NOT. In fact you are plain stupid simply because you are capable of making a statement like that.

2. The second point proves my point and what I really think of you. Iran is NOT a dictatorship. If it was, a former American president of the standing of Bill Clinton would have known better and would have never ever said something like this in World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland in 2005:-

He said; "Iran today is, in a sense, the only country where progressive ideas enjoy a vast constituency. It is there that the ideas that I subscribe to are defended by a majority."

Then in a television interview with Charlie Rose again in early 2005 after the Davos speech he said; "Iran is the only country in the world that has now had six elections since the first election of President Khatami (in 1997). (It is) the only one with elections, including the United States, including Israel, including you name it, where the liberals, or the progressives, have won two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote in six elections: Two for president; two for the Parliament, the Majlis; two for the mayoralties. In every single election, the guys I identify with got two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote. There is no other country in the world I can say that about, certainly not my own."

Of course you know of Iran better than Bill Clinton and slightly lesser than the Christian radical George Bush.

Now coming to support of terrorism and human rights, Iran openly supports Hizbollah that is fighting against the illegal occupation of Arab territories by Israel that kills unarmed people indiscriminately. Hizbollah doesn't carry out suicide attacks inside Israel. It is a militia.

The record of United States on human rights can be compared to China and North Korea. United States was perhaps the only so-called civilized nation that executed juveniles till the early 90s. Coming to Poland, the United States' CIA runs secret prisons there to carry out torture and other inhuman practices on people captured on suspicion of terrorism and subversive activities. This has been acknowledged by even the CIA and other US government officials.

Swint, I have a suggestion for you as I know you are above taking any advice. Just be careful in what you say and don't try to defend your stupidity either. The world is cleverer than the Yankees down there voting in herds in favor of people who match their religious ideology or skin color.
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Steve Swint dryflypolitics.com
Baltimore, United States
First, regarding your point #1, I am going to defend myself when I am being attacked personally like Marat did. I think most people agree that Americans are not known for the international knowledge or outreach, most think that Americans are ignorant of all things international. I was just pointing out that I am not one of those persons. Also, I think that anyone who is opinionated enough to spend time blogging is largely arrogant and ”a know-it-all”. People who think they are wrong or never right don’t blog.

2. ”Iran is not a dictatorship” Iran is a dictatorship in democracy clothing. The Ayatollah and his supreme council are the sole arbiters of power. Ahmadinejad has very little actual power, and all of his decisions can be over ridden by Ayatollah Khamenai. Being both the religious and political leader of the country makes the Ayatollah a dictatorship.

I should add that when Ahmadinejad came to the US and spoke at Columbia University, the President of Columbia called Mahmud a dictator. Which is obviously completely off base and ignorant for the president of one of the best Universities in the world to say.

By the way, I know Iran better than I know any other country, save the United States. I also know Farsi, so again I am not ignorant on Iran. That is not saying that I know all there is to know about Iran, but I understand their government structure well. And just because they have elections doesn’t make them a democracy. Zimbabwe had elections as well, are they then a democracy? (of course, Iran in no way is like Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe is a disgrace of a country.)

Your human rights comment is way off base. The US has both a great human rights record and a terrible one. There is a huge difference between the US and China (and Russia). Yes, the US needs to improve, but there is room for improvement everywhere.

Now regarding voting, let’s not act like the American are the only one’s voting in herds for ”people who match their religious ideology or skin color.” EVERYONE, whether in the US or India or Iran votes for the person who most closely represents them and their ideology, often that means voting for someone like them. In that same vein, if I were black, I would vote 100% for Barack Obama, even if I didn’t agree with his policies, but purely because he is black. I would have the attitude that ”my people have never had an opportunity like this and I need to embrace it.” Is that the ”right” attitude, probably not, but that is the way it is.

Please stop acting like American voters are different from voters in other countries. People are people and vote according to their perceived best interests. I suppose America is just an easy target for others to attack.

Finally, thanks for your continued comments, it is fun, but I would appreciate it if you could ease on the personal attacks, not that I can’t handle it, but I think it is inappropriate for these discussions and also weakens your argument. When one has to resort to name calling and personal criticisms it usually means they cannot defend their opinions too well. I am not saying this applies to you in this instant, but it is something to keep in mind.
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